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Message 2086 - Posted: 6 Sep 2017, 9:01:56 UTC

I have first result for my efforts for monkeys and goofyxGrid@home. Because at this moment there is no possibility to have one project with many cpu and many nci apps (this problem is reported on mailing-group and on github) I have to split my GG@H into two separated project:
1. http://cpu.goofyxgridathome.net
2. http://nci.goofyxgridathome.net

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Not only for monkeys ;)
I wolud like to start some virtualBox cpu application with Machine Learning, Neuytral Network (face and object recongnitions) etc.

ad <- 2
Users, teams, credits will be imported from GCC,
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Message 2088 - Posted: 6 Sep 2017, 9:13:17 UTC - in response to Message 2086.  

Thanks for the information. Glad progress is being made.

BTW: Neural Network, not Neuytral Network
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Message 2089 - Posted: 6 Sep 2017, 10:27:22 UTC - in response to Message 2086.  

sched_reply_nci.goofyxgridathome.net.xml - ELF-file, not xml
check server settings, file must be executed, not downloaded
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Message 2090 - Posted: 6 Sep 2017, 15:15:51 UTC

Regarding ad <- 2: Before exporting users/teams/credits from GGC, it would be nice to import them properly from the former Goofyx project. See my messages in the other thread:
http://boinc.gridcomputingcenter.org/forum_thread.php?id=205&postid=2068

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Message 2091 - Posted: 7 Sep 2017, 22:14:04 UTC - in response to Message 2086.  

I was able to add the nci project, however, I was unable to add the cpu project. It said there was a problem with email/password verification. I used the same email and password that I used for my original account for both of the new accounts. And for the cpu account I tried multiple times just to make sure I didn't mistype the password.
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Message 2092 - Posted: 8 Sep 2017, 13:01:13 UTC - in response to Message 2089.  
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sched_reply_nci.goofyxgridathome.net.xml - ELF-file, not xml
check server settings, file must be executed, not downloaded


I think Sergey means to say that the sched_reply file in our BOINC directory should be .XML (and readable with e.g. Notepad, like with other projects), but looks like an .EXE file, starting with "ELF".
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Message 2093 - Posted: 8 Sep 2017, 13:27:12 UTC - in response to Message 2092.  

sched_reply_nci.goofyxgridathome.net.xml - ELF-file, not xml
check server settings, file must be executed, not downloaded


I think Sergey means to say that the sched_reply file in our BOINC directory should be .XML, but looks like an .EXE file, starting with "ELF"


this file is the scheduler itself, downloaded from the server
but there should be his answer in xml-format
ELF = executable linux file
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Message 2094 - Posted: 8 Sep 2017, 21:20:35 UTC - in response to Message 2093.  

sched_reply_nci.goofyxgridathome.net.xml - ELF-file, not xml
check server settings, file must be executed, not downloaded


I think Sergey means to say that the sched_reply file in our BOINC directory should be .XML, but looks like an .EXE file, starting with "ELF"


this file is the scheduler itself, downloaded from the server
but there should be his answer in xml-format
ELF = executable linux file


Agreed, it should be a very small file (less than 10kB) starting <scheduler_reply> instead of the colossal 6.507kB file that is there now.
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Message 2095 - Posted: 9 Sep 2017, 14:42:02 UTC - in response to Message 2086.  

Timing for the project split? Currently can't log onto either site...
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Message 2096 - Posted: 10 Sep 2017, 11:17:15 UTC - in response to Message 2090.  

Regarding ad <- 2: Before exporting users/teams/credits from GGC, it would be nice to import them properly from the former Goofyx project. See my messages in the other thread:
http://boinc.gridcomputingcenter.org/forum_thread.php?id=205&postid=2068

Thanks

At this point there is no options to import credits from old GG@H :(
You can check if GG@D NCI has everythink allright.
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Message 2097 - Posted: 10 Sep 2017, 12:31:43 UTC - in response to Message 2096.  

Regarding ad <- 2: Before exporting users/teams/credits from GGC, it would be nice to import them properly from the former Goofyx project. See my messages in the other thread:
http://boinc.gridcomputingcenter.org/forum_thread.php?id=205&postid=2068

Thanks

At this point there is no options to import credits from old GG@H :(
You can check if GG@D NCI has everythink allright.


I checked:
My credits for GG@D NCI are the same as for GGC, everything seems allright.
My team is the same,
My team has the same score,
Only the badges are missing.
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Message 2098 - Posted: 10 Sep 2017, 15:53:29 UTC - in response to Message 2086.  

I have first result for my efforts for monkeys and goofyxGrid@home. Because at this moment there is no possibility to have one project with many cpu and many nci apps (this problem is reported on mailing-group and on github) I have to split my GG@H into two separated project:
1. http://cpu.goofyxgridathome.net
2. http://nci.goofyxgridathome.net

ad <- 1
Not only for monkeys ;)
I wolud like to start some virtualBox cpu application with Machine Learning, Neuytral Network (face and object recongnitions) etc.

ad <- 2
Users, teams, credits will be imported from GCC,


You will get very little support for vbox apps. They are such a pain to deal with.

So GCC site is being abandoned?
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Message 2099 - Posted: 11 Sep 2017, 19:26:57 UTC - in response to Message 2096.  

Regarding ad <- 2: Before exporting users/teams/credits from GGC, it would be nice to import them properly from the former Goofyx project. See my messages in the other thread:
http://boinc.gridcomputingcenter.org/forum_thread.php?id=205&postid=2068

Thanks

At this point there is no options to import credits from old GG@H :(
You can check if GG@D NCI has everythink allright.

Thanks for your reply, but I think I'll let Goofyx and his monkeys go. Good luck!
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Message 2100 - Posted: 16 Sep 2017, 4:34:56 UTC

I might not be seeing this correctly, but if you split the projects into with the same stats, won't that double it?

Or is only NCI going to continue on with the stats and the CPU side will start afresh?

Vbox is a mixed bag. If you have high memory requirements like in LHC things can start going haywire and leading to a lot of support time. On the otherhand, it's good because you don't have to compile for each platform.

If you go Vbox, I suggest a lengthy vetting process as test apps.


BTW, how about reviving that old project with the monkeys increasing and banging out the works of Shakespeare? If you could do a simple display like the website that shows real-time the combinations being banged out...maybe even throwing an animated monkey on a typewriter... :)
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Message 2101 - Posted: 17 Sep 2017, 23:27:58 UTC

Vbox is a really bad idea IMO. It is a huge pain trying to juggle the current projects supporting it and making sure you have the correct version that works for all. I for one do not support the vbox projects long term. The amount of time the donors spend trying to get their multitude of rigs working properly with the projects far outweighs the scientists efforts. It also wastes a lot of PC resources that could be used elsewhere.
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Message 2102 - Posted: 18 Sep 2017, 13:49:17 UTC - in response to Message 2101.  

Vbox is a really bad idea IMO. It is a huge pain trying to juggle the current projects supporting it and making sure you have the correct version that works for all. I for one do not support the vbox projects long term. The amount of time the donors spend trying to get their multitude of rigs working properly with the projects far outweighs the scientists efforts. It also wastes a lot of PC resources that could be used elsewhere.

Agree 110%
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Message 2103 - Posted: 18 Sep 2017, 14:06:47 UTC

VBoX is a BAD idea and like others have said it is a big P.I.T.A., waste of our resources (time, computing, memory and hard disk, etc)..........

I will NOT support this project if VBOX is the only option.

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Message 2104 - Posted: 18 Sep 2017, 15:21:42 UTC

VBox generally not a bad thing. It only annoys copying a few gigabytes of the image at the start of each task. It is advisable to use one shared image, and save all work files of the task in slot folder (the shared folder between the host and the guest). So there will be less wasted time, memory, disk at the start of the task.

One more note: the CSG launches the training of neural networks as a native application, without VBox

Previously, I had proposed to convert NCI tasks into pseudo ASIC tasks for the "Monkey ASIC" coprocessor.
If the BU analogue is launched on this project, then for most users it will not be difficult to add such a coprocessor to the config file ;)
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Message 2105 - Posted: 19 Sep 2017, 0:18:50 UTC - in response to Message 2104.  
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VBox generally not a bad thing. It only annoys copying a few gigabytes of the image at the start of each task. It is advisable to use one shared image, and save all work files of the task in slot folder (the shared folder between the host and the guest). So there will be less wasted time, memory, disk at the start of the task.

One more note: the CSG launches the training of neural networks as a native application, without VBox

Previously, I had proposed to convert NCI tasks into pseudo ASIC tasks for the "Monkey ASIC" coprocessor.
If the BU analogue is launched on this project, then for most users it will not be difficult to add such a coprocessor to the config file ;)


VBox is generally a bad thing. That is where most of us will disagree with you. Can people set up VM's for various things using it? Sure. I do all the time. However, its implementation in every BOINC project so far has been nothing but painful to the mass majority that try. There is a reason why those projects are vastly less popular. Its not because of marketing....

I will also point out the only people that will run a project with VBox is pretty much IT/techie people. The average Joe might be able to get BOINC installed and running (which isn't easy for the average Joe BTW) but fiddling with VM's is not going to happen by those people. The dwindling DC'er means you will continue to be a minority project using them.
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